[identity profile] xnaivetex.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] babynames
I thought I'd post because I'm having sort of an ongoing dilemma. I'm not pregnant, nor will I be for a while, but this is sort of preparing for the day I do have another.

(My only kid is named Trey. Not that it's relevant to the story, but it's a baby name community, so I thought I'd throw it out there).

Anyways, on to the point. It's a tradition in my family to have at least one kid "namesake"'d after someone. The other ones, doesn't matter, free game, but one kid has always been named after someone else in the family.

For the last while, there's only been 2 slots open. My mother, and my grandmother. My sister went in and had a child before me, and she stole my mothers, Susan. Easy to put as a middle name and match with something. So she's off the hook.

That only leaves the grandmother. There's a REASON why she was chosen last of the namesakes. (Well for now, until our babies have babies and our names go up for grabs). Her name?

Erma.

How do you fit that into a name AT ALL?

Is there a way you can add it INTO a name and still have a pretty nice name?

I'm at a loss. I'm sitting here with nightmares of "Ermaline", or "Ermalique"!

I don't want to just forego the tradition, or go with her middle name, May, which would be SO much easier, because that's basically letting my grandma know that I don't like her name. I don't want to hurt her feelings, but I also don't want a kid named Ermalique.

Any suggestions on how to incorporate it? (Can be a first name, or middle name)

Date: 2005-12-07 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alocin.livejournal.com
I'm suggesting Emma, it's a suitable varient...

Maybe Erma as the mn, no one will know or care.

Date: 2005-12-07 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherball.livejournal.com
and say that they screwed up when she spelled the name at the hospital? it must have been allthose drugs.. hehe

Date: 2005-12-07 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherball.livejournal.com
Ok.. what about H-erma-nie (kinda like the harry potter chick)

Erma is better then Ursula.. any day, that's one of my grandmothers names. :)

Good suggestion because...

Date: 2005-12-07 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifergroovy.livejournal.com
Erma is a form of Irma, and it actually is a short form of Hermoine. (According to The Best Baby Name Book in the Whole Wide World., by Bruce Lansky - published in 1979 and revised in 1984.) It looks as though it's possibly a Latin name, meaning regal.

One thing you could do is use Erma as her first name, but address her by her middle name. I think you can use some combinations to make Erma sound pretty.

Erma Juliette
Erma Dominique
Erma Elizabeth
Erma Danielle

Do you know yet if you plan to use it as a first or a middle name?



Date: 2005-12-15 05:12 pm (UTC)

Date: 2005-12-07 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liquidxeyeliner.livejournal.com
My boyfriend's family has the same thing, only with the name John. I hate that name, so what we did is chose the name Ian if we have a boy. It's the Scottish form of John. I looked on babynames.com and can't find another form of Erma, but maybe like a previous poster said, change it to Emma or put it as a middle name?

Date: 2005-12-08 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anapology.livejournal.com
I'm going to have to use John/ Ian in there somewhere- i cant stand either though. BF wants to have Ian as the first name if we have a boy, but i really really really couldnt stand that. Silly family traditions! I know we should compromise but the babies name is really important to me & i really wont give into him!

Date: 2005-12-09 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daveandmonika.livejournal.com
there are a LOT of different names that mean the same as John...Ivan, Sean, Hans, Giovanni and Jonas are a few of the more 'normal' ones...do you like any of those better?

Date: 2005-12-07 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelwifey.livejournal.com
honestly are you sure she even likes her name? my grandmas name is bertha and she would be PISSED if i named my baby her name.
Just use the middle name:) cause my grandma's middle name is mae and im using that!

Date: 2005-12-15 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathkitten.livejournal.com
Before my grandma died she made me promise not to name any of my children after her. Her name was Doris Barbara.

Date: 2005-12-15 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelwifey.livejournal.com
smart woman!
though in my head, bertha is way worse than doris:) and i cant use her middle name "mae", cause my last name means phone, so "someone" may call? no way!

Date: 2005-12-07 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krazyhippie.livejournal.com
I actually like the name Erma, heh. Probably b/c I was so fond of Erma Bombeck. It wouldn't matter so much if it's a mn anyway, but it'd be hard to find a good first name to go w/ it. Hmm.

My grandmothers were Bertha and Vivian, so I feel your pain.

Date: 2005-12-07 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifergroovy.livejournal.com
I think Vivian is quite pretty.
(This response is to [livejournal.com profile] krazyhippie's comment. I will respond to your post below.) :-)

Date: 2005-12-07 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krazyhippie.livejournal.com
It's not bad, but I couldn't name a child that.

Date: 2005-12-11 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arbus.livejournal.com
a distant cousin of mine has a three-ish year old named viviana. its really pretty, i think, and suits the little girl, although i personally wouldnt name a daughter that, its just a little too primadonna for my taste. just thought id throw that out there in case you find yourself in the same predicament someday. :)

Date: 2005-12-07 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elemmennope.livejournal.com
I guess that's when you make a choice on what's more important to you, honoring the namesake, or picking a name you like.

You could use it as a second mn, for example Sarah Jane Erma Smith. When on earth do people actually use second mns? You could put in on the birth announcement, grandma is happy, you've paid your respects to your ancestors, and then for the rest of little Sarah's life, Erma would probably rarely if ever come up. She could be Sarah Jane Smith if she wants, or continue to use the second mn if she appreciates the meaning of it.

Otherwise I'd just suck it up and use Erma as the mn. I think namesakes are namesakes, and twisting the name into some other form is (or should be) a bit insulting.

And who knows, with Emma, Ella, and Ava so common, maybe Erma, Elsa, Ima, and Uma will be the next new trendy names!

Date: 2005-12-07 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dingo83.livejournal.com
What a great suggestion, I second this all the way.

Date: 2005-12-07 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyjp.livejournal.com
Well, your grandma didn't name herself so maybe not going with Erma wouldn't be so offensive to her. Like the previous poster said, perhaps go with two middle names and that would be safer.

I take it Erma doesn't stem from any recognisable name and you can't rearrange the letters to have, for example, Mera (Mee-ra)?

I looked Erma up and it means "universal, whole" which is quite nice.

Date: 2005-12-07 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dingo83.livejournal.com
I just posted asking about rearranging letters too!

Date: 2005-12-07 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dingo83.livejournal.com
What if you rearranged the letters of ERMA? Would that be acceptabel if those were the only letters used?

Rema (ree-ma)
Mera (meh-ra or may-ra)
Mare' (you could pronounce it like Marie or Mary, or even ma-ray)

Date: 2005-12-07 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quiet-recluse.livejournal.com
What is your grandmother's middle name?
Like someone else said, Hermione is a nice name, even if everyone will think you got it from Harry Potter.
I had a look in this really old baby name book I've got, I came up with Erna and Erminia. Not much better but it's something. There's also Esma which is similar and Hermia, though that kind of sounds like a disease. There's also Hermine.
Maybe just invent a name like Eramina. (Not the greatest name I know but you gave me Erma to work with).
This is probably stretching it but could you maybe use the initials of Erma for different names? Emily Rose Michelle Amelia still = Erma even though the new problem is a rediculously long name. Just thinking out loud here.
Or just like someone else said, just make it a second middle name then never use it.

Date: 2005-12-08 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] momentarygenius.livejournal.com
I get Wanda to try to fit in somewhere on my next one ... :sigh: so I feel ya.

Date: 2005-12-08 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freedomdreams.livejournal.com
my parents had the same problem... they loved the way Arwen Rose flowed together but rose was my mom's mom's name so my dad's mom got pissed and made my parents add her name on my middle name so now its Arwen Rose-DOREEN ugh
i agree with the second middle name post!

Date: 2005-12-08 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anapology.livejournal.com
oh gosh that ruins the romance style of your name terribly!
You do have a gorgeous name though, apart from the doreen!

Date: 2005-12-08 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anapology.livejournal.com
You could pick a first name that really doesnt flow well with Erma as a middle name... May works well with pretty much any names so just apologise to Grandma Erma, & say you had your heart set on this first name (I'll use Sarah again) Sarah Erma sounded awful, but you really wanted to honour her & so you had to use May.. which sounded better. (stress the fact it was a hard decision not to use erma)
hmm... might work

Date: 2005-12-11 01:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arbus.livejournal.com
i would use may (my maternal grandmothers nickname, her name was mary but was called "mae" her whole life), itll go well with anything you choose for a first name. heres what i would do: pick out a first name and then talk to your grandmother and tell her youve picked out this great first name and you think it sounds fabulous with may as a middle name, and that youd like to use her middle name as your daughters, and dont even bring up the fact that youre not using erma. go into it excited about the name and dont act as though you have NO CHOICE but to use her name but instead that you WANT to incorporate her name/legacy into your daughters name because she is your grandmother and love/respect her. be excited about it and im sure she will be too.

Date: 2005-12-15 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathkitten.livejournal.com
Maybe you could tell your grandma you don't want to use Erma, but let her pick a name she does like and use that?
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