Fillers.

Sep. 20th, 2006 10:57 am
[identity profile] bree019.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] babynames
Is anyone else annoyed when a personal name is used as middle name filler again and again? For example...

My grandmother (whom I adore) is named Marie. She named herself, actually. She was 7 or 8 and was called "Baby" until that point because, well, she was the baby. Her mother finally decided to give her a proper name, but my grandmother hated her mother's choice. Her mother said, "Fine, choose your own name."

..and she chose Marie. She's in her 90s, so this was quite a while ago.

I've seen *so* many people pair Marie with a cutesy first name because it fits well, and it never fails to irk me. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect to be the only one on the planet to use it (especially since it was popular when my grandmother chose it) but, I don't know...it means something to me. And I hate that because I'll choose to give my future daughter the middle name Marie, it'll seem like it's just a filler. Like Elizabeth. Or Michelle. Or Renee.

Anyone else feel this way? No flames, please...I'm absolutely aware that I'm being irrational.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-t-bug.livejournal.com
I feel that way about Grace. That's actually one of my nicknames. I was Grace and my brother was George. I always thought it'd be sweet to carry it on with a daughter, but that was before it became one of the three filler middle names of this decade. It does seem to take something away from it. Irrational or not, I agree with you.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ginky.livejournal.com
It doesn't irk me, but I get your point.

My mother and her mother both have the middle name Lee. When my grandmother chose to stop her family's naming tradition when my mother was born, she passed on her middle name to mom. When I was born, my mother gave me my other grandmother's first name and her and her mother's middle name. Lee is very special to me and I passed it down to my daughter. It has meaning but I think sometimes people think I was being cutsie, because it rhymes with her nickname, Evie.

So when we talk about Evie being a baby, I remind her that I chose her name especially for her. She's named after me, my mother, my mother in law, and both of my grandmothers and I want her to be proud that they shared with her.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahrose.livejournal.com
YES! It has annoyed me forever. Marie as a middle name should be outlawed! ;-) It's just so... BLECH! I want to scream.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrsduryee.livejournal.com
I see your point as well, and I think people should choose meaningful middle names because when else are you going to honor a loved one? BUT I think people choose the "filler" names because they like them, and they sound nice with their first name choice. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing a name because you like the way it sounds. :)

Date: 2006-09-20 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] babyhoyt.livejournal.com
I feel that way about Ann and Elizabeth. I love those two names! use them for real, people!

I am not really worrying over this yet, since i haven't had a first daughter, but if we have a second daughter, she will be Paige (after my middle name). I like Paige Elisabeth, but what if I have a third daughter??? I'd want to use Elisabeth! so, hopefully this one is a boy, and we never make it far enough to three girls. In fact, I shudder at the thought of three girls, eeee!!

Date: 2006-09-20 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coffeewench69.livejournal.com
Heh, I'm just discovering this issue with Lynn, which upon discussion with the hubby after earlier input will be our daughters first name.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apple-seed.livejournal.com
My daughter has a filler-y middle name, Rose, but I didn't choose it because it was filler- roses are my favorite flower andmy husband and I have a sort of tradition of giving each other roses, from before she was born. I LOVE Juliet roses (they're peachy yellow roses, my favorite) and my daughter is Juliet Rose. It seems fitting to me :)

Date: 2006-09-20 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janelleandheart.livejournal.com
Honestly its the best filler and thats why its used.
It kind of almost goes with everything.
Its not going to go away as being the filler, but I can see where you're coming from.
I feel that way about the name 'Michael'.

Date: 2006-09-20 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redemptionsongs.livejournal.com
I don't consider anything a filler middle name unless it has absolutely no signifigance to the parents. My middle name is Grace, after my great grandmother. I'd absolutely use it becuse it has meaning to me. Same thing with Rae and Lynn.

Date: 2006-09-20 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mysticamor.livejournal.com
my middle name IS marie and I hate it. My grandmother named me after Jackie O and couldn't think of a good middle and just decided to put marie as my middle name. It was a toss up between marie, elizabeth or ann. Any of those suck! I think if it has significant meaning to you then use it but filler names need to be outlawed for sure.

Date: 2006-09-20 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-lostinyou.livejournal.com
I don't think that's fair.

Date: 2006-09-20 08:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiffrobyn.livejournal.com
I would add Ann and Lynn to that list as well. When I was growing up I was the only person I knew that didn't have Marie, Ann or Lynn as a middle name!

Date: 2006-09-20 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-lostinyou.livejournal.com
Marie, Elizabeth & Anne are all middle names that I will probably use. And all of them have very significant meaning to me.

Mary Elizabeth is my grandmother. My mother's middle name is Marie. My aunt, whom I am very close to, has the middle name Elizabeth. My other grandmother's middle name was Anne, as are two of my aunts and my sister in law. All of these seem fillerish at first glance, but all have very significant meaning to me and I could completely care less if they seem like filler.

Date: 2006-09-20 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] invisiblepet.livejournal.com
I completely agree. I get so sick of "filler" middle names I just wonder why that person chose it...and if it has no significance then why even give your kid a middle name.

My mn is Marie, and I want to share it with my daughter, but it will just sound like a filler. :(

Date: 2006-09-20 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maude.livejournal.com
I DEFINITELY understand what you mean. Right now, I can think of 12 girls I know with the middle name Marie. I'm sure I would have liked it if it hadn't become like a filler to me.

Date: 2006-09-20 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thejoysofjess.livejournal.com
Neither of my names had any significance to my parents. Would I have a "filler" first name too?

Date: 2006-09-20 11:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anapology.livejournal.com
haha no i'm with you on this!
My middle name is a family filler- Mary-Kate. I hate it, wont be passing it down, but if it was Grace or Rose i would be annoyed because i like them enough to use if they were family...
(wont though, as they are fillers & i'd just be another filler upper parents using them cos they were pretty!)

Date: 2006-09-21 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krosp.livejournal.com
Oops... that would be me! My name is Claire Maree and I'm not named after anyone (although you can blame my parents).

I think it's just that there are many names that just happen to be universal middle names because they sound good with almost anything, whereas most other names don't go too well as middle names with many things. When people are picking a name based on its sound and flow, the middle name is likely to be Rose, Jane, Anne, Marie, Lynn(the one I really dislike), Michelle, Leigh, etc.

It doesn't bother me really (except for Lynn because I hate that as a middle name) but I can see why it would be annoying for you, who actually has a good reason to use the name but everyone else would think you're just following the crowd and using the generic filler. I feel that way a bit towards the name Lily, it's my grandmothers name and I wanted to use it years ago but suddenly it's popular. But everyone has as much right to use it as I do all the other names I like for no personal reason.

Fascinating story about how she picked her own name btw.

Date: 2006-09-21 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] krosp.livejournal.com
I find it a bit ironic that lots of people are like, "I hate it that Marie is a filler middle name, because it's my mum's middle name, so it has personal significance to me."

Surely in some of these cases, it was given to their mum AS a filler?!

Date: 2006-09-21 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queen-mab.livejournal.com
I hate it too. My sister decided to give filler middle names to all three of my nieces. Jillian Marie, Jenna Louise, Julia Ann.. blech. =\ And none of them are honoring anyone or anything like that. I plan to use really unique and rare middle names for all my kids. Mainly the names I personally love but others hate so my kids wont get made fun of in school but I can still use them. :)

Date: 2006-09-21 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathkitten.livejournal.com
I know exactly what you mean. I think you should look at it a different way: Instead of naming your child FirstName Marie, why not name her Marie MiddleName? Use Marie as the first na,e? Marie is used in French with other names, hyphenated.

Marie-Charlotte
Marie-Claire
Marie-Claude
Marie-Jeanne
Marie-Paul

Are all some well-known French names. You could hyphen Marie with anything.

Date: 2006-09-21 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sotypical42483.livejournal.com
My mn is Marie... its totally filler. I don't think Marie is quite as popular anymore as a filler though, it was more popular in the 80s. Now its Grace and Rose which are sooo dull and overdone. Those are ALWAYS suggested.

Date: 2006-09-21 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sotypical42483.livejournal.com
what about Rose, Grace and Anne? Are those okay?

Date: 2006-09-21 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sotypical42483.livejournal.com
Those were in the 80s though. Now its Grace and Rose.

Date: 2006-09-21 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahrose.livejournal.com
Rose would be if I didn't love that name so much. I don't hear Grace as a middle name so much, nor do I hear Anne too much in my life.
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